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Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09411120014281349902noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-24791475455762330452015-12-04T14:48:00.003+00:002015-12-04T15:32:49.279+00:00Wrestling with Death (places)William WREFORD was my famous (in those times) wrestling ancestor hailing from Devon (previously mentioned <a href="http://www.geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/celebrity-ancestor.html">here</a> and <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/wrestling-legend.html">here</a>). So, the fact that the only likely death entry for him was registered in London was a bit worrying for me. Could I be confident this was really him?<br />
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Luckily, I had found a <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEigNEpAuY3HV7Abt_HfZ3f4Ut-hBsjxRUSX7uQC28okP9kgIuNQd4ZNsUICbj7gkhx1SlXmyiXuyE1uIeLYTPdGfJU_zi43Jdez4dWNd616xwU4xkZ0JGSsB23ZRuA6DwjUoPvku_aenB4/s400/WREFORDExeter&PlymouthGazetteFri7Dec1866.PNG" target="_blank">newspaper article</a> mentioning he had died 'in the metropolis' to help put my mind at ease:</div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.200000762939453px;">DEATH OF A RENOWNED DEVONSHIRE WRESTLER. - On Sunday last the veteran William Wreford died after a very short illness at the house of one of his children, in </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.200000762939453px;">the metropolis. (</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.200000762939453px;">Exeter and Plymouth Gazette (Friday, 07 December, 1866)</span></blockquote>
The Wreford Pedigree also notes that he <i>died 26 November 1866 aged 74</i> which matches the death record, so I'm confident this is my William WREFORD.<br />
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The death record states William, a yeoman, died of 'Natural decay' on 26 November 1866 at 5 New Street, Bishopsgate [London]. However, the informant is listed as Thomas Cusiok/Cuscok (also living at 5 New Street), NOT one of his children.<br />
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Two of his children <i>were</i> living in London around this time. William's son, also named William, had been living in London from at least 1840 - he had married at St Dunstan in the East, and was in the censuses until 1861 as living in the court behind St Clement's church, Eastcheap. (He was in the police force but by 1871, he was a 'coffee house keeper' a little further north in Paul Street.)<br />
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Also, his daughter, Elizabeth had married a mariner (Alexander SMALL) in London, 1853 and was a widowed lodging house keeper by the 1871 census (where she lived further north in Tower Hamlets - I'm yet to find her on the 1861 census). Could Thomas Cusiok have been one of her lodgers?<br />
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<li>Who is Thomas Cusiok/Cuscok?</li>
<li>Find Elizabeth SMALL (nee WREFORD) in 1861 census</li>
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<br />GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-73960036563555525322013-07-07T09:55:00.001+01:002013-07-07T09:55:04.857+01:00Oh, Chrysler!<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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A couple of years ago, I posted the above picture of my grandmother's family enjoying a roadside picnic in front of a 'mystery mobile'. (The original post can be seen <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/dating-photographs.html">here</a>).<br />
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When my 'car-brained' brother came to visit a little while ago, I recruited him to help me find out more about the car in the picture. After much google searching, we believe the car to be a 1927/28 Chrysler Imperial 52 coupe. For comparison, here are some other pics of this model:<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">source: <a href="http://forums.aaca.org/f194/28-chrysler-295097.html">'Antique Automobile Club of America' forums</a></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">source: <a href="http://www.hemmings.com/users/201381/ride/5981.html">Hemmings Motor News (Reader's Rides)</a></td></tr>
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I also found this vintage (American) advertisement on the 'Imperial Club' website:<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">source: <a href="http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1927/Ads/">Imperial Club</a></td></tr>
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I had some credits to spare at 'Find My Past' so I trawled the newspapers and found some references to my 'celebrity' ancestor, William WREFORD (introduced <a href="http://www.geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/celebrity-ancestor.html">here</a>).<br />
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In the Western Times (Tuesday, February 27, 1866):<br />
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The eyes of all classes of politicians are now on the pretty town of Tiverton,<br />
but we believe it is not generally known that there is now residing among us<br />
the greatest of living wrestlers. We allude to that respectable old yeoman,<br />
Mr. William Wreford, who may be truly said to be the hero of a hundred contests<br />
in the wrestling ring. The admirers of this most manly and ancient sport will<br />
be glad to hear that Mr. Wreford, though several years above seventy, still<br />
carries his manly figure erect, and has the most retentive memory. Mr. Wreford<br />
suddenly shot up to the height of fame by throwing the terrible Jordan at a<br />
great contest at Crediton, in 1812, when he was but nineteen years of age, and<br />
his huge opponent was in the prime of life. Mr. Wreford is a noble specimen,<br />
both as regards personal strength and social qualities of the good old English<br />
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Later that year, the following was printed in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette (Friday, 07 December, 1866):<br />
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DEATH OF A RENOWNED DEVONSHIRE WRESTLER. - On Sunday last the veteran William Wreford died after a very short illness at the house of one of his children, in the metropolis. Mr. Wreford bore a name familiar to all the lovers of wrestling, both in the provinces and the metropolis. Indeed, there is probably none who appeared before the public so frequently and for such a long period as he did, for though by profession he was, like his ancestors, a farmer, yet he passionately loved the most ancient of all pastimes, and for a period of nearly thirty years generally contrived to be present at all the great wrestling matches in Devonshire, and almost invariably maintained the high reputation which he gained before he was twenty years of age. Mr. Wreford was born at Morchard Bishop, near Crediton, the inhabitants of which have been from time immemorial noted for their great stature and strength. Indeed, the<br />father of Abraham Cann, the champion wrestler, was a native of Morchard Bishop, and according to the testimony of the ancients was in many respects a superior wrestler to his renowned son. At 18 years of age, Mr. Wreford attended a great wrestling match at Crediton, and at its close stood high in the prize list; this was in 1811. The next year his name became a household word throughout the<br />whole county, for having again contended at Crediton, nearly at the close of the play he found himself pitted against the terrible Jordan, a man of gigantic stature and strength, and who according to one author was so feared in the Plymouth wrestling ring that the committee at last excluded him in their advertisements from contending for the prizes offered by them; but at Crediton Jordan was destined to play the part of Goliath, for after twenty minutes contention, Mr. Wreford succeeded in throwing his huge adversary such a tremendous back fall, that the crash occasioned thereby was almost similar to that produced by the felling of an oak tree, and young Wreford amid the deafening applause of an immense concourse of all classes was triumphantly carried on the shoulders of several stalwart men to the Ship Hotel, in Crediton, there to receive from the committee something more weighty, if not so verdant, than that which the Grecian heroes of old were crowned. In 1813 Mr. Wreford visited the metropolis and contended with the champion Fouracres, whom he threw the best Cornish wrestlers at Plymouth, and, with one or two others of their party, bore off very heavy prizes. In 1825 the writer was personally witness to a great gathering of renowned wrestlers at Credition, when there was a vast assemblage of gentry and yeomen, who betted freely on their favourites. At this memorable match Mr. Wreford had to contend with the renowned James Stone (who on account of his prodigious strength and activity was nicknamed by one of the London daily papers "The Little Elephant") and a terrible encounter ensued, for the men grappled with each other in such a way as almost to realise Homer's description of the struggle beween Ajax and Ulysses. In truth the<br />first shock resembled the meeting of two fierce bulls. At first Mr. Wreford appeared to have the advantage, but before ten minutes had elapsed he was literally hurled into the air, and fell with terrific violence on his back; yet he was quickly on his legs again, declaring that he would seize the first opportunity of recovering his lost laurels. Not long after he and Mr. Stone again met at Southmolton, when for the first half hour they contended with varying success, after which it was apparent that the strength of the "Little Elephant" was the most unduring, and at the end of seventy minutes, Mr. Wreford having been much shaken by repeated fallso on his side, was reluctantly<br />compelled to give over the contest through his opponent with his usual magnanimty offered to forego claiming the prize until the next day, thinking that his friend's indomitable pluck and well-known elasticity of body might possibly then enable him to renew the struggle. That this was no fanciful picture, the fact of Mr. Wreford throwing, six or seven years afterwards, the celebrated Cornish wrestler Francis Olver, though several of his ribs were broken before he took his opponent by the collar is, we think, conclusive evidence. Until the last few months Mr. Wreford has been residing at Tiverton;<br />and when we saw him in January last he was as erect as a bean-stick, and in every respect appeared twenty years younger than he really was. He then gave us an extraordinary proof of the retentiveness of his memory, for testing his many statements by the records of the Crediton Old Wrestling Club, we invariably found them correct. Mr. Wreford was a well informed, genial-hearted old man, full of anecdotes of celebrated wrestlers and of scenes of the old<br />coaching days and he and Mr. Robert Stone, brother of Mr. James Stone, and himself a renowned wrestler, quite laughed at the general idea of the "dangers of the wrestling ring," and well vindicated the practice of wrestling, which had been handed down in rural districts from father to son for many hundred years, and both, to the writer's great amazement, declared that their legs were without a blemish, though they must have received thousands of severe kicks.</blockquote>
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What a find! *pleased face*<br />
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<br />GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-75686634239626165942013-04-07T18:42:00.001+01:002013-04-08T10:35:40.642+01:00Commercial InnI had some credits to spare at 'Find My Past' so I trawled the newspapers and found a death notice for George WREFORD's daughter, Harriet in 1858. <br />
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<span style="color: #38761d;"><b>April 29, at Witheridge, aged 7 years, Harriet, second daughter of Mr. George Wreford, Commercial Inn.</b></span><br />
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It seems my WREFORDs may not have run the Hare and Hounds after all (see previous post, <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/pub-crawl.html">Pub Crawl</a>). Although it is possible they could have run both during their life in Witheridge - this has been the only time I've found where the inn was named.<br />
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The Commercial Inn in Witheridge,Devonshire closed sometime after 1894. The <a href="http://www.witheridge-historical-archive.com/commercial-inn.htm">Witheridge Historical Archive website</a> has a gap between the 1850 and 1878 directories for the inn's keepers and I'm still yet to find a directory for the area circa 1861.GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-11678319426987652672013-02-24T18:29:00.003+00:002013-04-08T10:32:33.399+01:00Find A BrownAfter contact from a distant relative, I've spent the weekend revising my BROWN information and basically doing a kind of stocktake on the records I have for the family.<br />
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James BROWN (abt 1801) had 3 successive wives, 8 children and one more potential child born out of wedlock (see <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/antenuptial-fornication.html">Antenuptial Fornication</a>). These lives centred around the farm, Woodhead of Dardarroch in the Glencairn parish of Dumfriesshire. After tidying up my records, I rewarded myself with a quick search for Dardarroch and lo and behold, the gravestone of James' parents was revealed to me (or at least the location and inscription):</div>
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<span style="color: #274e13;">Jun. 11, 1793<br />Dumfries, Scotland</span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #274e13;">Apr. 29, 1870<br />Dumfries, Scotland</span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #274e13;"><br />In memory of Daniel BROWN who died at Moorhouse, Keir 29th April 1870 aged 77 years. Also William his son who died 1st May 1865 aged 34 years. Also Mary his daughter who died in 1848 aged 7 years. Margaret his daughter who died in Sept 1858 aged 28 years.<br />[West Side]<br />Here lyes Margret BROUN who died Mrch 14 1796 aged 2 months. Margt BROWN spouse to William CLERK, who died 27th Oct 1820 aged 25 years. Also Jean MAXWELL, spouse to John BROWN, who died upon the 19th Jan 1827 aged 66 years. Also the said John BROWN who died at Woodhead of Dardarroch the 15th of April 1840 aged 80 years. Erected by John BROUN, father in Crosford. 1796.</span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #274e13;">Burial:<br /><a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GRid=41515421&CRid=2321473&">Penpont Parish Churchyard</a><br />Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland</span></blockquote>
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This gravestone inscription has given me another child (Margret); death dates for John BROWN & Jean MAXWELL, as well as approximate birth dates.<br />
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It has also given me some other leads to follow, including 2 other 'Brown' graves on the <a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=2321473&GRid=41515421&">Find A Grave</a> website. Thankyou transcriber!</td></tr>
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This notice was found on a visit to the Exeter Library a few years ago. It relates to the letting of theHare and Hounds Inn of Witheridge in 1858 - only a few years before my WREFORDs inhabited it in 1861. Perhaps the WREFORDs took over this letting in 1858? </div>
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The text is very difficult to read but I have uploaded it here (with a transcription of what I <i>could</i> make out) in case anyone has any suggestions.</div>
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<span style="color: #38761d;">Exeter, Thursday, April 22,1858 (p1)</span></div>
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<span style="color: #38761d;">WITHERIDGE - DEVON</span></div>
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<span style="color: #38761d;">TO LET by Tender, for a Term of ...... [years] from Midsummer next, all ......[establish]ment called the HARE AND [HOUNDS] [encompassing?] a dwelling-house, malt- ...... and also a garden and two fields? ... the occupation of Mr. William ... </span></div>
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<span style="color: #38761d;">... be sent on or before the 1?th .... to Mr I M?H C?mins?, Solictor, ...</span></div>
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<span style="color: #274e13;"><b>UPDATE - I have found evidence that the family actually kept the Commercial Inn - see post <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/commercial-inn.html">here</a></b></span><br />
<br />GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-1010031019541630242013-01-13T14:53:00.000+00:002013-01-13T14:54:51.011+00:00RIP Easy IGI Searches Online<div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">
<span style="color: #38761d;">I found this unfinished post just 'laying around' which reminded me just how much I miss the old IGI search on the Family Search website. Not quite sure about their reasoning but in their attempt to <i>improve</i>, they basically made it worse. I'm not going to moan about something that is provided for free but I just... <i>miss</i> it. </span><br />
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<span style="color: #38761d;">Here is the old post (with a couple additions) which seemed to be a HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS BORN BEFORE 1837 or a recount of how I came to a conclusion but I'm not sure what I was trying to prove. It may be of some use to someone:</span><br />
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A search of the IGI online (after census searches of son George's approximate age) now identifies his wife as Ruth (and locale as Portsea):</div>
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The original baptism entry in the Saint John's Chapel, Portsea parish registers gives further confirmation these are the correct people, as Thomas' occupation is listed as 'Book Binder' (same field of work - books):</div>
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Back to the IGI to search for the marriage of Thomas and Ruth, which gives her maiden name as Ruth WRIGHT (married in Saint Mary's Portsea):</div>
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This makes it easier to search the census records which then give me approximate birth dates for Thomas and Ruth. <span style="color: #38761d;">Parish records can now be searched for the marriage (possibly more information); their own births/baptisms and other children of the marriage.</span> </div>
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<span style="color: #38761d;">Find copy of Thomas & Ruth's marriage entry in the Saint Mary's, Portsea parish registers</span></div>
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<span style="color: #38761d;">Find copy of Thomas & Ruth's baptism entries in Chichester, Sussex (church unknown)</span></div>
GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-47630535894393776902013-01-13T00:26:00.003+00:002013-01-13T15:22:51.220+00:00Adopting a New ApproachThe 1881 census first told me that my second great grandfather, Alexander Gibson REID (also featured in my post, <a href="http://www.geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/dating-photographs.html">Dating Photographs</a>) was adopted. I found it very interesting but soon realised that this created a problem for my research. <br />
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Finding Alex on the 1871 census confirmed the adoption and cemented the final stone in a very solid brick wall. Unfortunately, it will probably take a minor miracle to break this one as there were no adoption records in the 1860s. In fact, there were no scottish adoption records at all until 1930. This problem is not unique to Scotland either as many family historians have no doubt discovered.<br />
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Both censuses state Alex was born in Dunoon, Argyllshire about 1863. I have tried searching for birth records under that name but have got no results. This indicates to me that Alexander may have been renamed by his adoptive family; which also indicates that he was probably adopted very young. Possibly from a family member, possibly from the victim of a colliery accident, possibly this, possibly that... There could be so many other explanations - too many for me to list all the possibilities here.<br />
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In the hopes a miracle will be bestowed on me, I want to gather as many clues as I can by studying the adoptive family. The key (or sledgehammer) may just lie in the family names or newspaper reports from the places they lived.<br />
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Gibson REID had been a coal miner since he was at least 15 <span style="font-size: xx-small;">(source - 1841 & 1851 censuses) </span>but by 1861, he was a colliery clerk in New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire. He lived with his wife, Agnes (nee GIBB) in Knightswood (now part of Glasgow but then still a rural area with small scale mining <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightswood"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">source</span></a>). <br />
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Gibson was 35 years old, born in Crichton, Midlothian; Agnes was 36, born in Bothwell, Lanarkshire. They were living in Knightswood Cottage with their children; Mary, Alexander, Janet, Robert & Isabella, who were aged between 1 & 13 years of age. All the children were born in Bothwell, Lanarkshire except the youngest, Isabella, who was born in New Kilpatrick the previous year.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Death certificate of Gibson REID - 27 Jan 1872, New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire</td></tr>
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<u>A brief timeline of Gibson REID:</u><br />
About 1826 - born in Crichton, Edinburgshire.<br />
1841 - living in the HOGG household (William and Euphemia) with Robert, John & William REID (siblings?) & 50 year old, Agnes REID (mother Agnes listed on death certificate)<br />
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Sometime after 1841 - moved to Bothwell, married Agnes and had their first child, Mary in 1848.<br />
Between 1851 and 1860 - became a colliery clerk and moved to New Kilpatrick.<br />
Between 1863 and 1871 - adopted Alexander Gibson.<br />
1871 still living at Knightswood Cottage.<br />
1872 died of chronic bronchitis.<br />
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<span style="color: #38761d;"><strike>Check 1841 census for Agnes Gibb and her family</strike> </span><span style="background-color: white;">found 4 possible matches - 1 most likely in Bothwell (sisters Catherine & Jean?)</span><br />
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This obituary for Drusilla WILLS (nee WREFORD) featured in my <a href="http://www.geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/bombay-love-story.html">previous post</a> stated that:<br />
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My searches of the NZ BDM showed me that Thomas & Drusilla had 3 children:<br />
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This means that one of the surviving children was actually ANOTHER daughter called Charlotte (and the D being her husband's initial). However, there was no birth record of a Charlotte WILLS. So, <i>IS</i> this Charlotte a daughter of Thomas & Drusilla?</div>
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I was able to find the marriage of Drusilla Howard WILLS (spelt Drucilla - one of the 3 births listed) to a William SHORT in 1899. </div>
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<br />GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-18440744041247536582013-01-05T18:52:00.000+00:002013-01-05T22:47:37.324+00:00Bombay Love StoryAfter receiving an email asking whether Drusilla WREFORD (the 14 year old innkeeper originally mentioned in my post <a href="http://www.geneageek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/pub-crawl.html">Pub Crawl</a>) met her husband, Thomas WILLS on the voyage to NZ, I delved further into this family. It was a good question and one I hadn't really thought of since she was not my direct ancestor and I have so much to research on my genealogical plate. However, my curiosity was piqued and I donned my detective cap to find out more.<br />
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After some apparent hard times, George & Harriet WREFORD, who had apparently ran the Hare & Hounds Inn in Witheridge, Devonshire (c1861), emigrated with their 8 surviving children to New Zealand aboard the Bombay on the 26 Nov 1864. Sadly, their youngest daughter, Mary Ann died on the voyage, aged 2.<br />
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My first step was to consult the 1864-5 passenger list for the Bombay voyage these WREFORDS took and funnily enough there was a Thomas WILLS on board aged 23. Drusilla was 17 at the time so quite possible they could meet and take a fancy to one another. Or perhaps they were already betrothed before leaving England? I diverted course to search for Thomas on the UK censuses but without having any more information about him abandoned that search and turned instead to the fabulous NZ <a href="http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/">Papers Past</a> website.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Sisters Augusta, Drusilla and Sarah Grace <br />
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Although I was initially searching for marriage notices, most of my day has since been spent reading the articles and snippets which mention my ancestors and their neighbours, revisiting old avenues of research and getting to know the other members of this family. My search also led me to the NZ <a href="http://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/">Births, Deaths & Marriages online</a> where I was able to locate the WREFORD sisters' marriages (or at least their registration numbers).</div>
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So proof that 14 year old innkeep, Drusilla married <i>somebody</i> called Thomas WILLS. The 1865 marriage made it seem likely but there was still no real evidence to suggest it was the same Tom on the Bombay with the family.</div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: start;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">(Auckland Star, Volume LXV, Issue 140, 15 June 1934, p3)</span></span></td></tr>
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The death occurred on June 13 at Onehunga of Mrs. Drucilla Wills, aged 89 years. She was a daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. George Wreford, and came to New Zealand with them when a child in the ship Bombay. <b><span style="color: #38761d;">Her late husband, Mr. Thos. Wills, was a passenger on the same vessel. </span></b>They were married at St. Peter's Anglican Church, Onehunga, by the late Rev. Dr. Purchas, and settled at Awhitu, where Mr. Wills engaged in the gum trade for many years. When he retired from business Mr. and Mrs. Wills went to reside at Onehunga. Mrs. Wills is survived by two children. Mr James Wills and Mrs. D. Evans, and 15 grandchildren, and 20 great-grandchildren.</blockquote>
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Although the places were apt, none of the names seemed familiar - <i>my</i> Charles married a Sarah MILLINGTON while this person's widow was Ellen. The names Jesse and Florence Edith were unfamiliar too. So I searched and found a 1911 census record for this couple:<br />
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So with that probate ruled out, I went back to my hints page and looked at the other family trees containing Charles RICHARDS and his family. At least 3 of these trees (which were referring to my Charles -born 1851, married to Sarah, father to 11 children) had listed that particular probate record as a source!</div>
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I rechecked the probate record and also listed was a retired shipwright of Liverpool whose widow was Sarah Ann RICHARDS:</div>
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Perhaps this is where the confusion lay? However, Charles had appeared in every census from 1851 - always in Staffordshire and always related to the coal industry (particularly as a coal miner). <br />
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Although it IS possible that Charles may have remarried, a simple search of the 1911 census found Charles and Sarah still living in Walsall with four of their children:<br />
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I left comments on two of the trees informing the owners of the mistake and am keen to hear back from them as they appear to have information (and PHOTOS!) of Charles' parents and siblings.<br />
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In closing, dear fellow geneageeks, PLEASE remember the first rule of genealogy and do not attach information to your tree without confirming it - however much you may want it to be true. After a long hiatus, I was rusty and nearly fell into this trap - DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!<br />
<br />GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-73236152296582963562011-06-12T17:52:00.000+01:002013-01-05T17:28:45.890+00:00The Incredible Hulk<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i>Success</i> - hulk similar to where George was imprisoned.<br />
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After a bit of a break I ventured onto the Ancestry site and noticed that they had 'new' prison hulk registers and letter books. I found that my ol' pal, George WHITE was held on the <i>Ganymede</i> while awaiting trial and/or transportation to Van Diemen's Land in 1834.<br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;">The<i> Ganymede</i></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"> was originally the French frigate </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><i>Hébé</i></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"> which was captured in 1809. She was converted to a prison hulk in 1819 and broken up in 1838 </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: xx-small;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_prison_hulks">(source: Wikipedia)</a> <span style="color: #274e13;"><b>(AND the<a href="http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/Index.html"> Index of 19th Century Naval Vessels</a>)</b></span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><b>.</b> Hulks were not nice places to be and it seems George was lucky enough to stay in one for under a year.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><i><a href="http://theintolerablehulks.com/index.html">The Intolerable Hulks</a></i> by Charles F. Campbell seems like a good read.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 2px; color: #274e13; font-family: inherit; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><b>UPDATE:</b></span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; border-collapse: collapse; color: #274e13; font-family: inherit; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="background-color: white; line-height: 18.969696044921875px;"><b>In response to a couple of comments below (always welcome) about the fate of the prison hulk Ganymede, I feel I should mention the possibility there are OTHER ships/hulks also named the Ganymede. The ship I refer to was formerly</b></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;"><b style="background-color: white;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 2px; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-size: 11px; line-height: 15px;">The French L'HEBE taken by Capt. SCHOMBERG in LOIRE in the Atlantic on 5 January 1809. </span></span></b><b style="background-color: white;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 2px; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-size: 11px; line-height: 15px;">Broken up in 1838 (source: <a href="http://www.ageofnelson.org/MichaelPhillips/info.php?ref=0998">Michael Phillips' Ships of the Old Navy</a> - </span></span><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><span style="line-height: 15px;">http://www.ageofnelson.org/MichaelPhillips/info.php?ref=0998)</span></span></b></span></blockquote>
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit;"><b>I have found reference to ANOTHER Ganymede - an iron clipper-barque built in 1868 which was hulked in 1912 (<a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ganymede_(ship,_1868)">source</a>). </b></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit;"><b>Although I don't claim superior naval knowledge, it is more likely that the Ganymede my commenters refer to as being used as a convict vessel in 1839, is a DIFFERENT ship to either of these as ship names were often REUSED.</b></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit;"><b>I feel I should also add here that wikipedia was not my only source. The <a href="http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/Index.html">Index of 19th Century Naval Vessels</a> also contained this information and I have updated my source in the post to include this link.</b></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit;"><b>However, if you feel you have evidence that proves these ships are in fact the same vessel I would be really interested to hear about it.</b></span></span><br />
<br />GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-38259692177172754782011-04-13T14:14:00.000+01:002011-04-13T14:16:36.258+01:00Not the George You're Looking ForIsn't it funny what you can come across by accident?<br />
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You may have noticed that I don't just research my direct line of ancestry. I like to get into the nitty gritty of their siblings as well. Partly because I'm nosy, but also to help locate other ancestors you may not come across otherwise, which can help you break down brick walls. Sometimes, an incorrectly transcribed name will finally appear on a page with correctly transcribed relatives (I have found elderly parents living with their adult child's family) and sometimes, the relation to household column can uncover a sister's marriage (I have uncovered married names via nieces and nephews). <br />
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This is why when I received an email from a distant relative connected to William GLAISTER's brother, George, I dived into collecting every detail I could about George and his wife, Isabella SHORT. Although, I have so far refrained from collecting HER siblings marriages (more on that later), I have located census records for her parents.<br />
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<div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">I decided to revise my info on George GLAISTER (b. 1826) - son of Robert GLAISTER (b.1786) and saw that I was yet to find an 1841 census record for him. I had all others up to his death but despite searching with a number of surname variants had always come up empty handed. I tried again today and found a 10 year old George GLAISTER in Wooler where a lot of my GLAISTERS had resided. His age was too young, but since that can often be mistranscribed too, I took a look - definitely not the George I'm looking for...</div><br><br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: left;">...but underneath in the next 'household' (probably just a different room) were Stephen and George GLAISTER - they had been transcribed as Elander. </div><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: left;">Now to find out if the John Glaister above is an uncle, brother or cousin.</div>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-16548949091488188742010-10-26T18:21:00.000+01:002010-10-26T18:29:09.086+01:00Arthur and Martha... I mean, Mary<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I mentioned in my previous post that I'd like to know more about Arthur BUCHAN's next marriage as their children are mentioned in Roy Buchan's book 'From Peterhead to Passchendaele'. He had married his first wife, Christian BUCHAN in 1857 who had died by the 1861 census.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Marriage of Arthur BUCHAN and Christian BUCHAN 1857</td></tr>
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I located Arthur and his sons on the 1871 census who were now living with Arthur's new wife, Mary and their new half siblings - Andrew, Mary and Elspet. <br />
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A search of the IGI located a marriage between Arthur and Mary BRUCE in 1864 which I then downloaded. Strangely, Mary's parents are not listed.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Marriage of Arthur BUCHAN and Mary BRUCE 1864</td></tr>
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A further search of the IGI uncovered the births of their children, Isabella and Peter. This Peter is 'Uncle Peter' who Roy refers to as "a shadowy figure who followed the family to New Zealand, arriving in about 1910". Auntie Isa was also mentioned in letters written by Roy's father and uncles during World War I. "a rotter who deserted his wife and children" <span style="font-size: xx-small;">(Buchan, R., From Peterhead to Passchendaele, 2003, p145).</span><br />
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I would say there's a whole new story there.<br />
GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-89236631731404707862010-10-25T11:01:00.000+01:002010-10-25T11:01:20.944+01:00Kissing Cousins?I'm still reading Roy Buchan's fabulous 'From Peterhead to Passchendaele' which has thrown up some more avenues of research but have been wondering about Jessie's husband who was also a BUCHAN. John's parents, Arthur and Christian BUCHAN sounded familiar but the same names do keep cropping up in these fishing villages. How closely related were they?<br />
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The first step was to download their marriage certificate to prove the parents of John.<br />
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Then I located the family on the 1861 census. Christian was deceased and 2 of her sisters were living with Arthur - most likely helping with the 2 young children.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Arthur BUCHAN and his young sons, John and Arthur on the 1861 census at 21 West Row, St Combs</td></tr>
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I suspected she died during childbirth but she actually died shortly before the census was taken of consumption and pneumonia.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Death of Christian BUCHAN - 2 Mar 1861</td></tr>
</tbody></table>I then looked to the transcribed 1851 census. Christian and her sisters were there and again appeared in 1841 with their other siblings. Which I will soon look closer at as a study of the village of St Combs.<br />
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Roy lists other children of Arthur and Christian but mentions that he believes some are half brothers and sisters and therefore children of another union after Christian died. Before I look further into the BUCHAN - BUCHAN connection, I'd like to find out more about this second union.GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-69974062209502200402010-09-26T22:09:00.000+01:002010-09-26T22:10:10.775+01:00The One That Stayed BehindI had mentioned in <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.com/2010/09/desperately-seeking-john.html">'Desperately Seeking John'</a> that there was one BUCHAN who didn't emigrate to New Zealand on the <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.com/2009/08/emigrating-to-new-zealand.html">Rimutaka</a> with the rest of the family. In Roy Buchan's book 'From Peterhead to Passchendaele' he mentions that <span style="color: #38761d;">"there is thought to be at least one other who stayed behind."</span><span style="color: black;">.</span><br />
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Feeling inspired, I wanted to find out more about Charles BUCHAN (junior) - 'the one that stayed behind'. He had appeared on all the census records between 1871 and 1891 - odd that he didn't go with them. I wondered why he had stayed and considered whether his descendants were still living in the Peterhead area?<br />
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I downloaded Charles' birth certificate: <br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Birth Certificate of Charles BUCHAN<br />
born 27 November 1865</td></tr>
</tbody></table> After a search of marriages on the IGI, I was unable to find a likely match so I checked deaths. I hoped this would give me the name of his wife if he had at all married.<br />
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Unfortunately, he hadn't.<br />
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Poor Charles died at 26 years of age in 1892 - about a year and a half before the family moved to New Zealand. He died from consumption of the lungs (phthisis pulmonaris). His father, Charles (b.1830), was present at his death and registered the event three days later.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Death Certificate of Charles BUCHAN<br />
Died 30 July 1892</td></tr>
</tbody></table>Now we know Charles had no option BUT to stay behind.GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-44915887441760884252010-09-24T14:55:00.000+01:002010-09-24T14:55:46.853+01:00Grace BrockI've had a lot of trouble finding a marriage between John STILING and Grace FREED and thought it was due to the lack of Devon records on the IGI. Thanks to the selection of Devon Parish records on findmypast, I find it's possibly because it was mistranscribed or that Grace FREED is actually Grace BROCK:<br />
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I can imagine how Brock and Freed could look similar in faded, pre-regency period handwriting.<br />
This was one of three John STILINGs that came up in the search but the only one with a Grace for a bride. <br />
Their oldest child was born in 1811 so the dates also fit.<br />
Oh, how I wish I could see the original record right now.GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-45392549243880455602010-09-24T14:15:00.000+01:002010-10-25T10:38:43.865+01:00Desperately Seeking John - A Sad ConclusionIn case brother John DID refer to brother-in-law John, I decided to check for deaths before embarking on a costly census trawl. There were a few likely entries but since John hadn't appeared on any of the censuses, I chose one of the infant deaths first and sure enough there he was:<br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Poor little tyke only lived 12 days - cause unknown.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I think it's safe to say that the John present at Alexander BUCHAN's death is his sister Jessie's (born 1860) husband. They had married back in Peterhead and emigrated with Jessie's parents and siblings.</div>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-24960561547930658752010-09-24T13:14:00.000+01:002010-09-25T15:26:41.999+01:00Desperately Seeking John<div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">A couple of months ago, I found out via an <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.com/2010/07/inquests-and-articles.html">1896 newspaper article</a> that my ancestor, Alexander Ritchie BUCHAN, had a brother called John. John was there when Alex died pulling in a fishing net but where was he all those other years?</div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.newzeal.com/theme/Ships/PortChalmers/PortChalmersPostcards.htm">18 foot shark caught in Otago Harbour 1894</a></td></tr>
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</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">Charles BUCHAN and his wife Jessie (Janet RITCHIE) migrated to New Zealand on the Rimutaka in 1893. All their children (except Charles), some of whom had begun their own families went too. Peter, Jessie (married to John BUCHAN), Alex and William all arrived on the Rimutaka. John had never appeared with the family on the censuses and so I hadn't realised he was missing.</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"><br />
</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">A little bit of research proved that John was actually <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.com/2010/08/twins.html">twin brother</a> of William - born 11th July 1868 in Peterhead. Was it just coincidence that he was away from home all those census nights? Did he stay in Scotland or </div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"><br />
</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">A search of shipping lists from 1890 don't seem to show John's arrival in New Zealand so it seems likely that he migrated before the rest of the family.</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"><br />
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</div>A search of the IGI comes up with 9 other John BUCHANs born in Scotland in 1868 alone. I have scribbled down these parents names to avoid confusion as the long census search begins...<br />
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<span style="color: #274e13;">Edited to add:</span><br />
<span style="color: #274e13;">Just reread an excerpt from Roy BUCHANs book about the family:</span><br />
<blockquote><span style="color: #38761d;">The Buchan family settled in Carey's Bay, a mile from Port Chalmers. They fished in the comparative calm of the inner Otago Harbour instead of the hazardous and stormy North Sea. The main breadwinners were Jack, his brother-in-law Alexander and father-in-law Dade [Charles]. The younger two men would fish from an open boat in the harbour and Dade would sell the fish.</span></blockquote><span style="color: #274e13;">Could brother John actually refer to his brother<strong><em>-in-law</em></strong> John (married to Jessie)? The newspaper article mentions that Charles also gave evidence at the hearing which means he was probably also there (as the excerpt suggests).</span>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-18995062590333151552010-09-23T13:27:00.000+01:002010-09-23T13:27:51.691+01:00Will or Testament?<div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">I noticed this morning that the Scotlands People website has changed a bit (at least cosmetically) which in turn led me to notice the free wills and testaments search in the left bar. So I started plugging away at some of my Scottish ancestors and came across a possible record for William MURRAY, dated 1839:<br />
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</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">William MURRAY was the father of Margaret MURRAY (who married William GLAISTER in 1843). It seems I had been unable to locate Margaret or her family in the 1841 census NOR find a record of the marriage of her parents when last researching the line and so left the family there for the time being. Today, after consulting the new <a href="http://beta.familysearch.org/">Family Search BETA</a> and 1841 census transcriptions on a site called <a href="http://www.maxwellancestry.com/ancestry/default.htm">Graham Maxwell Ancestry</a>, I was able to discover the marriage of William MURRAY to Janet BELL in the Kelso parish registers, 1817:</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"><br />
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<blockquote><span style="color: #38761d;">William Murray, Stocking-maker here & Janet Bell, Daughter of Alexr. Bell, Stocking-maker in Melrose, after the publication of the banns of marriage in the Church of Kelso, were married, at Melrose, on the eighth day of Decr. 1817 by the Revd. Mr. Thomson, Minister of Melrose, in presence of these witnesses Lieut. Lachlan Burn of the R.N. - Kelso & George Hart - Melrose</span></blockquote>As the marriage obviously took place in Melrose, I decided to see if the Melrose records held any more information. It's quite amusing how little they actually held compared to the Kelso registers:<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #38761d;">[1817, Nov 30] William Murray residing in the parish of Kelso and Janet Bell residing in this parish.</span></div><br />
I'm pretty sure this is the family on the 1841 census:<br />
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The names and ages of the children are all correct (as found on the IGI) - only Margaret is missing (possibly working elsewhere). The only other concern is that William, who was recorded as a stocking maker at marriage is now a barber. Not impossible by any means but a concern nonetheless.<br />
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So, back to the testaments - is this my guy? Is the testament dated in 1839 because that William MURRAY had died OR was it drawn up before death? If the 1839 date indicates the date of death, it is not my guy because he appears to be alive on the 1841 census. I'm a tad confused. </div>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-38504135564916801202010-09-18T17:13:00.000+01:002010-10-25T10:31:32.030+01:00More Buchan 'Lunatics'I was very excited to receive an email from Roy BUCHAN - author of the book 'From Peterhead to Passchendaele' mentioned on <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.com/2009/08/from-peterhead-to-grave.html">this blog</a> and distant relative of mine.<br />
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQGPZfxHeEqeGfR6rg2EQE6x-QQYlULk-ZqUyfXujFwz5gj-9CPp-J443s3zcTG5b8UCZ6OyZl_Sc8f01XFnl7yjOZtmX8ONbr5M72LNhu0AAgbUiA_gbWqx9QG4nTAWikT9TlBt_tXxg/s1600/RimutakaBuchansp2.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="122" qx="true" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQGPZfxHeEqeGfR6rg2EQE6x-QQYlULk-ZqUyfXujFwz5gj-9CPp-J443s3zcTG5b8UCZ6OyZl_Sc8f01XFnl7yjOZtmX8ONbr5M72LNhu0AAgbUiA_gbWqx9QG4nTAWikT9TlBt_tXxg/s400/RimutakaBuchansp2.JPG" width="400" /></a></div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"><br />
</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;">He also mentioned that the Mr Peter BUCHAN listed above (on the Rimutaka 1893 passenger list) as aged 35 was, in fact, mentally retarded from birth and died 3 years after landing in New Zealand. This was roughly the same time as his brother, and my direct ancestor, Alexander Ritchie BUCHAN <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.com/2010/07/inquests-and-articles.html">died while working on a fishing boat</a>.</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"><br />
</div><div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"><span style="color: #38761d;">Before I'd even had a chance to look into it, another distant BUCHAN relative, emailed me the information that Peter had actually died in July 1897 (seven months after his brother, Alex). He apparently died at Seacliff Hospital, Dunedin - also known as Seacliff Lunatic Asylum. </span><br />
<span style="color: #38761d;">(NOTE: A further email from the same relative warns that this may not be true)</span> <br />
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8fS7qagcWRRZXy25YCzxGiwqlx6RL3EMyLJb85lkqVsy6wWwVSC2ICNWGcPMMRO-c9RyquCZ1Z_YX7gBkYIzHF49mj5uhWg6mPBPRlPzGCEhxalFw6DVJ-WwH_hVdvbz8DgUC14YZQYA/s1600/seacliff-hospital.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" qx="true" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8fS7qagcWRRZXy25YCzxGiwqlx6RL3EMyLJb85lkqVsy6wWwVSC2ICNWGcPMMRO-c9RyquCZ1Z_YX7gBkYIzHF49mj5uhWg6mPBPRlPzGCEhxalFw6DVJ-WwH_hVdvbz8DgUC14YZQYA/s320/seacliff-hospital.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/influenza-seacliff-hospital">Seacliff Hospital</a>, Dunedin, NZ c.1910</td></tr>
</tbody></table>Peter was the son of Charles and Jessie (nee RITCHIE) BUCHAN. <br />
I will now be checking for his asylum records.<br />
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<span style="color: #38761d;">Next Steps:</span><br />
<ul><li><span style="color: #38761d;">Check for Peter BUCHAN's death in New Zealand (Place of death - asylum?)</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #38761d;">Look into story from Roy Buchan's book that suggests he went out 'wandering' and died from exposure</span></li>
</ul><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"></div>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-14265353893373961072010-08-13T18:43:00.000+01:002010-08-13T18:43:36.124+01:00Calendar of the Dead<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Ancestry have now released the National Probate Calendar (1861-1941) which is almost like an index to wills. A distant relative who has worked with me on my STILING line gave me the heads up and I checked it out:</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgEmXalrXduyo334a9YubDtSl4wB4QNV9Kh4mFjVtVcLytR4E4lDV-Krf-V91Af5gvAn5FVly2bxRWRpfqmPwvjlPxex5_gk3N3Iym5SSSUhK7osasGOeVsZC3_vOKTFuEcHK8pLws27j4/s1600/stillingprobate.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="87" ox="true" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgEmXalrXduyo334a9YubDtSl4wB4QNV9Kh4mFjVtVcLytR4E4lDV-Krf-V91Af5gvAn5FVly2bxRWRpfqmPwvjlPxex5_gk3N3Iym5SSSUhK7osasGOeVsZC3_vOKTFuEcHK8pLws27j4/s400/stillingprobate.JPG" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
</div><blockquote><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;">STILING John 9 October.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;">The Will of John Stiling late of Tiverton in the County of Devon Yeoman deceased who died 3 February 1862 at Tiverton aforesaid was proved at Exeter by the oath of Edward Stiling of the Parish of Tiverton aforesaid Yeoman the Son one of the Executors.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;">Effects under £600. </span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[handwritten underneath] </span>Resworn at the Stamp Office Feb 1865 under £450</span>. </div></blockquote>I believe this to be my John STILING for the following reasons:<br />
<ul><li>he dropped off the census after 1861</li>
<li>wife declared a widow on the 1871 census</li>
<li>recorded living at Tiverton since 1811 (son Edward's birth)</li>
<li>has son Edward STILING</li>
<li>farmer (yeoman) since 1841 census</li>
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This is the first time I had even come close to a death date for John STILING so I was very pleased indeed to see this entry.<br />
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I used ancestry to look further into the son mentioned, Edward STILING and found what appears to be his will too. The entry contained: <span style="color: #38761d;">formerly of Barton but late of Tiverton Farmer died 16 Feb 1873 at Tiverton - Elizabeth Daw, widow, his sister executrix.</span><br />
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<span style="color: black;">Not only do I have a death date but also a daughter of John that I was unaware of until now.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #38761d;">Next Steps:</span><br />
<ul><li><span style="color: #38761d;">Obtain a copy of John & Edward STILING's wills</span></li>
</ul>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-36464935717772090692010-08-13T18:03:00.000+01:002010-08-13T18:05:28.778+01:00TwinsAt the end of <a href="http://geneageek.blogspot.com/2010/07/inquests-and-articles.html">my last post</a>, I mentioned that I had no idea that Alexander Ritchie BUCHAN had a brother called John. <br />
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I did a 'parent search' on <a href="http://familysearch.org/">familysearch.org</a> for Alex's parents, Charles and Jessie (nee RITCHIE) and up he popped! While checking the information, I noticed that his birth date was identical to brother William's but perhaps this was confused with a christening date (children were sometimes baptised in 'bunches').<br />
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I managed to download the birth entry on Scotlands People and sure enough, John and William were twins!<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi20GD5yZ6ksJnmwyBTOqvO8_bOXikaJcoZxiDt9WQMcr_5oO6wTGK1oHOgEW2UA0JnTh3aheD2ix2SJKsj5bseErD5WpOrwTzFvmGHMca87Uoc4wyCbeqsBa19YbG-H1GJYQxt14VvcvU/s1600/BuchanTwins.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="175" hw="true" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi20GD5yZ6ksJnmwyBTOqvO8_bOXikaJcoZxiDt9WQMcr_5oO6wTGK1oHOgEW2UA0JnTh3aheD2ix2SJKsj5bseErD5WpOrwTzFvmGHMca87Uoc4wyCbeqsBa19YbG-H1GJYQxt14VvcvU/s400/BuchanTwins.JPG" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Birth record of Charles & William BUCHAN, Peterhad 1868</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Anyone else found twins in their families? I think this was the first instance I've come across.</div>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2099516120526411070.post-13013019925965230362010-07-27T13:31:00.000+01:002010-07-27T13:33:23.438+01:00Inquests and Articles<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: left;">This morning I received some death certificates for members of my BUCHAN family. On Alexander Ritchie BUCHAN's certificate it states his cause of death as 'Verdict of Jury - Sudden Failure of the Heart'.</div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgg4Fvr1J6ljuD4Iu4G_k-sqTCG6qP4cFkUDWx-g2vPxrwBSDanAG4WxwZnvt5piJM6B9Di37aOSpdblm6F_dcMApkfFoN0A-h_4qugDfmkn-X-p5bcSUVN67QEOtPTs1em3mQfTuc_ACI/s1600/BuchanAlexDeathCertpart.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" hw="true" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgg4Fvr1J6ljuD4Iu4G_k-sqTCG6qP4cFkUDWx-g2vPxrwBSDanAG4WxwZnvt5piJM6B9Di37aOSpdblm6F_dcMApkfFoN0A-h_4qugDfmkn-X-p5bcSUVN67QEOtPTs1em3mQfTuc_ACI/s320/BuchanAlexDeathCertpart.JPG" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Part of Alexander Ritchie BUCHAN's death certificate - 1896</td></tr>
</tbody></table><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: left;">My grandmother mentioned in a letter years ago that "Grandad B [a fisherman] was actually pulling in a fishing net, when he apparently ( I presume) had a heart attack & died at age 34". I had no idea there was an inquest into his death though.</div><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: left;"><br />
</div><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: left;">I searched through the newspapers on New Zealand's wonderful <a href="http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/">Papers Past</a> site and found a mention in the 'Casualties' section:</div><blockquote><span style="color: #38761d;">A sudden death occurred about 8 o'clock on Wednesday night, 2nd. Alexander Buchan, who was engaged fishing with his brother John in the lower harbour, had just hauled in the net, when he went to the bow of the boat and fell forward, and on his brother going to him found he was dead. An inquest was held on Thursday afternoon when after hearing the evidence of Charles and John Buchan, John Keenan, and Dr Cunninghame, the jury returned a verdict that deceased died from sudden failure of the heart. Deceased leaves a wife and five children in very poor circumstances.</span> (Otago Witness - 10 Dec 1896, p15)</blockquote><div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEheQqjE3sxoMqql2fpKpVf8S80stlxIe7nZF4WwmpkmbbpDLVE6rt2PWCYxsUiZwcyRAqAQL_3MuboeC3F2RnvPle_Qi5eFnLpKa8U1bcuEgc7nnBVKzGcJSXPNkaVuKSCEHcOk71X2BfU/s1600/BuchanAlexDeathOtagoWitness10Dec1896p15.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" hw="true" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEheQqjE3sxoMqql2fpKpVf8S80stlxIe7nZF4WwmpkmbbpDLVE6rt2PWCYxsUiZwcyRAqAQL_3MuboeC3F2RnvPle_Qi5eFnLpKa8U1bcuEgc7nnBVKzGcJSXPNkaVuKSCEHcOk71X2BfU/s320/BuchanAlexDeathOtagoWitness10Dec1896p15.JPG" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Otago Witness - 10 Dec 1896, p15</td></tr>
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His wife Agnes (nee FINDLAY) was left with 5 children under the age of 9 - their daughter was only 3 weeks old!<br />
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Alexander was buried in Port Chalmers cemetery on the 5th December 1896. Also buried on the plot were members of the GRANT family who I believe to be unrelated and a Robert JONES (according to the <a href="http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=62904&type=Burial">Cemeteries Database</a> on the Dunedin Ciy Council website). On the entry in the Cemeteries Database is the note:"GRANT PLOT: CONSENT OF CHURCH"<br />
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhruqsWWLqwr1D0iJxLzIm1BNrpy-Z8xaGYwq5tIQjCuNk01DQWcUIgb9bX6Vyi5143NACYSxphEHLRZ5A00y2GAuuv84h5CGgdWPqLwrUP8a9Ma8nbzThVZdhZhWynza8DkgYcMPuCdIc/s1600/portchalmers.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" hw="true" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhruqsWWLqwr1D0iJxLzIm1BNrpy-Z8xaGYwq5tIQjCuNk01DQWcUIgb9bX6Vyi5143NACYSxphEHLRZ5A00y2GAuuv84h5CGgdWPqLwrUP8a9Ma8nbzThVZdhZhWynza8DkgYcMPuCdIc/s320/portchalmers.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">image via <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/pommedan/4491786595/">flickr</a></td></tr>
</tbody></table>It seems that the church took pity on Alexander's family (who had only arrived in the country 3 years earlier) and because of their "very poor circumstances", buried him in this plot as an act of charity.<br />
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I am really keen to find any surviving inquest records as I know nothing about a brother called John!<br />
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<span style="color: #38761d;">Next Steps:</span><br />
<ul><li><span style="color: #38761d;">Locate inquest records (if any)</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #38761d;">Search for church records that may mention the burial</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #38761d;">Research 'brother John'</span></li>
</ul>GeneaGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04184917377803744894noreply@blogger.com1